'God's Jewish, Muslim and Christian Warriors' (driedelige CNN-uitzending op 22 t/m 24 augustus)

De schitterende uitzendingen van CNN’s Christiane Amanpour over deze drie militante religieuze groeperingen zijn een absolute ‘must’ voor eenieder die zich ook maar enigszins interesseert in de (gevaarlijke) ontwikkelingen in onze wereld. Fundamentalistische religiositeit neemt toe en verovert een steeds grotere politieke invloed, zeker in het wijdere Midden-Oosten, de islamitische wereld en de Verenigde Staten. Een gemeenschappelijke noemer is het conflict in het Midden-Oosten om Israel. Hieronder staan YouTube-videolinks naar de uitzendingen. Verder zijn delen van de extracts weergegeven, voorafgegaan door een introductie van de serie door Larry King. VANWEGE SYSTEEM-INCOMPTABILITEIT KAN IK MET MIJN ‘SAFARI’ HELAAS DE TEKST NIET GOED REDIGEREN.=========== _____CNN Documentary: God’s Jewish Warriors (Part 1 of 11)======= CNN Documentary:God’s Muslim Warriors (Part 1 of 11)======= God’s Christian Warriors (Part 1 of 11)========CNN LARRY KING LIVE – "God’s Warriors": Fighters For Faith … AMANPOUR: People are talking about religion all over the world now. Honestly, since doing this subject, since starting to shoot it, every time I open a newspaper, every time I turn on a debate, whenever I talk to people, this is what’s on people’s minds now. And not just Islam — although Islam is, I suppose, the most prominent because of some of the world events. But also the rise of political Christianity, if you like; the existence of political Judaism in Israel, in terms of how certain aspects influence the political debate and shape the politics and culture. And it’s something that is fascinating. And I think, actually, the media doesn’t pay enough attention to it. KING: It doesn’t? AMANPOUR: No, it doesn’t. KING: There are two whys here. One, why is it growing? AMANPOUR: Why is it growing? I think there are several reasons. One, it’s sort of a backlash against what many religious people feel to be a militant secularism. Another is a political expression. And that, I think, is something very interesting. For many people, religion has become a nationalism — an identity, a way of expressing themselves in a political way, in a way that they have not been able to in a more conventional way. But definitely a backlash. I think I find that to be the case — a backlash against what they presume to be a materialistic culture, a godless culture. It’s the sacred versus the secular. And it’s a struggle. We call it "God’s Warriors" because it is a real struggle. It is a war to bring their religion into the seat of power — not a war of arms, but a war of struggle. KING: Now, the other why is why isn’t the media covering it enough? AMANPOUR: I think, in general, the media covers religion when there’s something controversial, when there’s something like a terrorist attack, like a firebombing of a clinic, like a situation where, perhaps, the settlers and the soldiers in Israel are fighting each other and there’s a — for instance, the withdrawal of Gaza. But, in general, I would say it’s because many — many in the media probably feel that — maybe they are more secular. Maybe they do take it very seriously, this separation of church and state, which is real and the law here in the United States. And they feel that, you know, religion is something personal. Many people feel that it’s something personal. But there is this growing group of people who feel that it’s not just personal, it must be public, it must be political and it must be about power. KING: Also, Christiane, is it the opposite when we learn that many of the best-selling books this year were anti-religion — god doesn’t exist. AMANPOUR: OK, that is true. And those soar to the top of the established best-seller lists. KING: They do. AMANPOUR: But one of the complaints, for instance, amongst the Christian community in the United States is that they also have many multi-million dollar selling books coming out of the Christian community about the fact that god does exist and yet people don’t pay attention to that. So we’re not here lobbying for or advocating for or drawing conclusions, either political, religious or ideological. What we’re saying is here is this massive and important and powerful segment of our societies — whether your an American Christian or whether you’re an American of any other religion, whether you’re in Israel or in the Middle East or whether you’re in the Islamic countries, there are powerful segments of each religion who believe in being powerful literally, in the seat of power, and shaping and changing the culture and the way the country is run. KING: And knowing you… AMANPOUR: One law at a time. KING: Knowing you, I know you’ll get into all the international squabbles. But how much does the Israeli-Palestinian situation affect the Muslim situation, affect the Christian opinion, when they all intermingle here? AMANPOUR: Well, they do intermingle a lot. So, you know, I’m sort of keeping the two separate at the moment as I discuss this. But for sure, the constant open witnessed that is Israel- Palestine, the war that exists in Israel and the occupied territories is a powerful recruiting tool for those disaffected in the Islamic world. There is absolutely no doubt about that. But, also, right now, another powerful recruiting tool is the Bush administration and the war in Iraq. It is — it’s equaled or surpassed, at the moment, the pool of recruits for those who would come into terrorism and who would do America harm. And I think, you know, there’s a new Pew poll, a recent Pew poll that has just been published which has, I think, rather troubling results. It talks about how these phenomenal values that the United States espouses and has exported, you know, for decades, are now being viewed with suspicion and with distrust and mistrust. So, really, the challenge for America and for American leadership is to get that back, to reclaim its values, to reclaim its position in global society and to be able to once again be considered the exporter of great and valuable morals and values. KING: Christiane Amanpour, by the way, did the last interview the late Jerry Falwell. We’ll see a little clip of that when we come back. Her special, "God’s Warriors," will air tomorrow, Wednesday and Thursday night, two hours each, from 9:00 to 11:00 Eastern time. We’ll be right back with our chief international correspondent, Christiane Amanpour… (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) AMANPOUR (voice-over): Right wing politicians like Geert Wilders, a member of the Dutch Parliament. GEERT WILDERS, DUTCH MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT: Yes, here we have nine seats. AMANPOUR: Who fears the Dutch are losing their country to an alien culture. The party he’s founded has staked its political future in large part on an anti-Islam platform. He’s proposed shutting down immigration from non-Western countries and banning burqas and niqabs, the head-to-toe coverings worn by some Muslim women even though very few here wear them. (on camera): Why have you chosen Islam as your battleground, so to speak? WILDERS: Today, more especially in radical Islam is a major threat to all of society. Those are people that hate everything that we stand for, and are proud to use every means possible to kill us. (END VIDEO CLIP) … (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) AMANPOUR (voice-over): A recent poll found that 59 percent of American evangelicals believe Israel is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you give, it may be that you give in an envelope and put it in a bucket, but in actuality, an angel is going to scoop it up. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We love Israel. AMANPOUR: And when Christian Zionists turn out in the thousands to demand that Washington politicians support Israel, the politicians respond. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Greetings from the president of the United States. This letter from George Bush. (END VIDEO CLIP)—– KING: And Christiane, we’re almost out of time. We’ll have you all back. We’ll do many discussi
ons on this. In fact, I know we’re going to do a major program after the show airs so that we can comment on it. Christiane, we have a minute left. What do you hope to accomplish? AMANPOUR: I hope to open people’s eyes. I hope to try to answer some questions. Whenever I went around and people were asking me, you know, what are you working on these days? And I told them about this documentary, whether it was here in the United States or abroad, everybody was fascinated because this is really the topic of our time. I think we have several civilizational issues that we have to grapple with on our watch right now. One is the clash of cultures over some of these very issues and obviously the environment, obviously the huge poverty gap in the world between rich and poor and I think we are trying to tackle a huge issue and it’s one that people everywhere are fascinated by, whether you’re religious or not because it has implications whether you’re religious or not. CNN LARRY KING LIVE – "God’s Warriors": Fighters For Faith (Aired August 20, 2007 – 21:00   ET)================================================================================= God’s Jewish Warriors AMANPOUR (on camera): Jerusalem — the ancient city filled with sacred meaning for three great religions — Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I’m Christiane Amanpour. When piety meets politics, it can be a volatile mix. Which is one reason Jerusalem, the so-called City of Peace, has been torn by centuries of war. Even today, the battle is led by men and women who believe their vision, and sometimes, violence are part of a divine script. We call them "God’s Warriors". Whether Muslim, Christian or Jew, millions of people view the world through a religious prism. They want God back in their daily lives, back to the seat of power. Tonight, and for the next two nights, we explore who they are, what they want and why this is a battle they say they cannot afford to lose. (voice-over): God’s Jewish warriors — over the last 40 years, they have changed the course of history. Ignore them and lasting peace in the Holy Land may be out of reach. Our story begins in the West Bank city of Hebron. The city is steeped in the history of patriarchs, prophets and Biblical kings. It is home to some of the most zealous of God’s Jewish warriors. They are determined to settle the land that Israel captured from the Arabs in 1967. The settlers call it by its Biblical name, Judeah and Samaria. A few weeks ago, it took hundreds of Israeli riot police to evict Jewish settlers from just two illegally occupied apartments in a Hebron neighborhood. In the Jewish bible, the Torah, the Book of Genesis says God gave this land to the Jewish people. The 500 Jewish settlers of Hebron are surrounded by 140,000 Palestinians. Choosing to live here means risking their lives…. SHISSEL: We have the Holy Land. It’s where God says this is where the Jews has to live. AMANPOUR: But it is also Palestinian land. The West Bank — it’s west of the Jordan River — was designated by the United Nations to be the largest part of an Arab state. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let them be in a different place. I didn’t see any place in the Bible that it has this green line that you have to cut the land to half. AMANPOUR: There are now more than 200 West Bank settlements and outposts, home to 240,000 Jews. Another 180,000 Jews live in East Jerusalem, land claimed by the Arabs as theirs. ——– AMANPOUR: God’s Jewish warriors look to the Book of Ezekiel for inspiration: "Ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers." This is the central to their belief that only when the Jews return to their homeland and live their lives according to the Torah, will the Messiah come to save the world. SHISSEL: The people that don’t keep the Torah, they don’t understand the meaning of being Jews, the meaning of the land, they’re wasting their life. AMANPOUR: The impact of God’s Jewish warriors goes far beyond these rocky hills. The Jewish settlements have inflamed much of the Muslim world. GORENBERG: You can’t understand the anger of radical Islam unless you understand the conflict between, you know, the Jews and the Palestinians. This tiny piece of land matters much more to people than huge countries elsewhere in the world. AMANPOUR: How God’s Jewish warriors reshaped the Holy Land is a remarkable story. It’s a story of rabbis who became politicians. UNIDENTIFIED MALE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Are you asking if they misled the government? There is no doubt. It was a political trick. ——— AMANPOUR: For decades, the U.S. has said Jewish settlements in the occupied territories are an obstacle to peace. So why not withhold some of America’s generous foreign aid to pressure Israel? I asked former President Jimmy Carter. America gives Israel $3 billion a year. No questions asked. Just about. Why doesn’t it say, OK, no more 3 billion? CARTER: There’s no way that a member of Congress would ever vote for that and hope to be re-elected. AMANPOUR: John Mearsheimer, a prominent political scientist at the University of Chicago, co-authored one of the most controversial essays of late, arguing pro-Israel advocates have too much influence on American policy. JOHN MEARSHEIMER, UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO: The lobby goes to great lengths to make sure that U.S. policy makers privilege Israel over the Palestinians. AMANPOUR: The pro-Israel lobby he is talking about is a loose coalition of PACs. Professional lobbyists and grassroots activists.—————– AMANPOUR: Most recently, former President Carter was criticized for criticizing Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. In his book, "Palestine: Peace, not Apartheid." UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You are an anti-Semite. CARTER: It is very difficult to speak publicly in criticism of Israel. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So let me explain why I think you’re a bigot, a racist and an anti-Semite. CARTER: I’ve been publicly called anti-Semitic even in four-page advertisements in "The New York Times." MEARSHEIMER: I think they were not only trying to marginalize and silence Carter by smearing him, they were also sending a message to anyone else in the body politic who had thoughts about criticizing Israel. AMANPOUR: Morris Amitay says he doesn’t consider Carter or Mearsheimer anti-Semitic, simply misguided. AMITAY: Promoting an agenda in which Israel is the bad guy. Basically the United States and Israel have the same goals in the Middle East. Peace, prosperity, keeping terrorists out. I just think that the success of the pro-Israel community is the fact that they have good arguments on their side. AMANPOUR: Arguments and political clout. That have kept foreign aid flowing. While religious settlers continue to count their blessings.—– AMANPOUR: As I walked along the separation barrier with Danny Seideman, he explained why separation is virtually impossible. The holy sites for Jews, Muslims and Christians are virtually on top of one another. SEIDEMAN: God is a local resident here. That’s something that the city knows how to do. If only the politicians were wise enough to flesh this out into the appropriate political arrangements, this would be the most remarkable place on the face of the earth. AMANPOUR (on camera): Jerusalem is a remarkable place, and political solutions require compromise. But too often, for God’s Jewish warriors and their Palestinian counterparts compromise means capitulation. And they are not alone. For millions of people around the world, religion is politics. They fear modern society is trampling all over their beliefs. Join me tomorrow night when the stakes are raised. We meet God’s Muslim warriors. Islam has become a powerful political force. But for a few, terror has become the weapon of choice. I’m Christiane Amanpour. Thank you for joining me. God’s Jewish Warriors (CNN – Aired August 21, 2007 – 21:00 ET)==============================================God’s Muslim Warriors—- AMANPOUR: As shocking as the violence was
the fact that the subway suicide bombers were homegrown terrorists, raised in Britain. What would make these Muslim men turn against their own country? I talked to one man who may know the answer. (on camera): Ed, what makes a young teenager from a pious, Muslim household become a radical? ED HUSAIN: In my case, I think initially I was duped. It’s a slow, gradual process developing ideas that were confrontational, that were radical, that were and extremist. Nobody questioned me, other than my parents. AMANPOUR (voice-over): As a child, Ed Husain’s parents brought him to pray here at the moderate Brick Lane Mosque in London’s East End. But at 16 — call it a religious awakening or teenage rebellion — Ed ran away from home and through the gates of this hard-line mosque. HUSAIN: People at the mosque said to me that this was a choice between God and family. AMANPOUR: Here, Ed found an ideology that put him on the road to radicalism. HUSAIN: I bought this book here and it’s predominantly displayed there, attached to the mosque. So I could look, for example, at this particular book. It’s is the same man who is an inspiration to Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri and others. So these are the godfathers of At least Qaeda. So it was being sold as a religious duty to kill innocent people on the basis of their religion. AMANPOUR: In the grip of this ideology, Ed soon joins an even more radical group known as Hiz Ut-Tahrir. HUSAIN: They’re a group of individuals who have members right across the world who are dedicated to overthrowing every single Arab government, every single Muslim government and setting up an expansionist global state in the Middle East. And, in their words, it’s a launch pad for a jihad to go out to other countries. So it’s basically creating an Islamist empire. AMANPOUR (on camera): And they operate here in England? HUSAIN: Absolutely. AMANPOUR: Openly? HUSAIN: Openly, in large numbers on university campuses to this day. AMANPOUR (voice-over): Hezbutari openly admits they are working for an Islamic empire. They call it the caliphate, the Muslim world ruled by fundamentalist Islamic law, Sharia, just as it was a thousand years ago. We went to question the group’s spokesman. TAJI MUSTAFA, HIZ UT-TAHRIR, ISLAMIST ORGANIZATION: Under Islamic rule, under the caliphate, there was stability even in Palestine. Jews, Christians, Muslims lived in harmony under an Islamic political order. AMANPOUR (on camera): What you say sounds, you know, reasonable. But clearly your methods are suspect because you’re banned in just about every country that exists, except for this one. MUSTAFA: No, no, we are not. Not at all. AMANPOUR: In fact the group is banned in most Middle Eastern and some European countries. But Mustafa says it’s Muslim governments that are the problem, not his organization. MUSTAFA: Now, let’s be clear, there is the tyrants in the Muslim world, who are afraid of the revival of the masses. AMANPOUR: What’s more, he denies Ed Husain was ever a member. HUSAIN: That’s false. I attended cell structure meetings for two years. My direct instructor easiest anybody ordinary, it was a deputy leader of Hezbutari. I radicalized this entire college. In two years, there were Muslim women walking around in veils and face covers. AMANPOUR: Even today, Hezbutari’s ideology methodology can be heard on campus. JAMAL HARWOOD, HIZ UT-TAHRIR, ISLAMIST ORGANIZATION: I’d like (INAUDIBLE). AMANPOUR: On this night, as part of an Oxford Union debate. HARWOOD: The U.S. believes that its interest is of benefit to the world. AMANPOUR: Jamal Harwood is the British leader of the organization. HARWOOD: Just like the Victorians learned you cannot impose civilization with a machine gun, Americans should also understand you cannot impose democracy in Fallujah with an Abrams tank. ……… AMANPOUR: The United States recently released a chilling National Intelligence Estimate that cites a growing number of radical, self- generating cells in the West. Its troubling conclusion — a violent segment of the West’s Muslim population is expanding, including in the United States. America — the same place that decades ago inspired one man’s radical brand of Islam. SYED QUTB: This great America, what is it worth in the scale of human values? I wish I could find somebody to talk with about human affairs, morality and spirit, not just dollars, movie stars and cars. AMANPOUR: It is a moral indictment of America written in the 1950s. The author, a man who found the country to be a spiritual wasteland. His name was said Syed Qutb. He inspired the likes of Osama bin Laden and his lieutenant, Al-Zawahiri. Qutb’s works laid the foundation for the modern jihad movement. FAWAZ GERGES: Syed Qutb is the philosopher of the militant Islamist movement. AMANPOUR: Fawaz Gerges is a professor and author who has interviewed hundreds of Islamic jihadists. GERGES: His views of America are terrifying. They are terrifying because they’re narrow. They present America in very simplistic dichotomies. And those simplistic dichotomies have influenced and shaped how radical Islamists and radical jihadists view American and Americans. AMANPOUR: Qutb, an Egyptian Sunni Muslim, came to America in 1948 to study. But American culture shocked the scholarly Muslim poet and critic. GERGES: His two years in America turned Syed Qutb into a militant Islamist. He resented the deep philosophical secular roots of American society. He resented the way women and men interact in society. He resented the obsessive nature of America materialism. He believed that America lacks ritualism. ……… In 1979, the Soviet Union, officially atheist and communist, invaded Afghanistan, which was an affront to Islam. Thousands of young Muslims signed up for jihad — a holy war against the invader. Osama bin Laden was one of them, and his exploits in Afghanistan gave him credibility as well as a base. OSAMA BIN LADEN: (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I have benefited greatly from the jihad in Afghanistan. It would have been impossible for me to benefit as much from any other opportunity. AMANPOUR: The Soviets, worn down by the Mujahedeen — the Muslim warriors — eventually withdrew from Afghanistan. Bin Laden would go on to establish Al Qaeda. Zawahiri, the Egyptian doctor, would become his adviser, both men inspired by the words of Syed Qutb. About the same time Sunni Muslim jihadists were taking on the Soviets, the Shiites, God’s warriors in another Muslim country, were about to give America its first taste of its Islamic fundamentalism. …… AMANPOUR: I grew up in this country, and as a reporter I come back, because it is here that 28 years ago God’s Muslim warriors rocked the world. This is where America first tasted fundamentalism, when Islamic revolutionary students stormed the embassy and took American diplomats hostage for 444 days. And this set off a wave of Islamic fundamentalism throughout the Muslim world. (on camera): What were the Iranians reacting against? KAREN ARMSTRONG, RELIGIOUS HISTORIAN: The Iranians were reacting against decades of Western interference. You could see this as Iran’s declaration of independence. AMANPOUR (voice-over): The ruler of Iran, the Shah, had been restored to power in the 1950s in a CIA coup. He was rushing to modernize his country, like his father before him. ARMSTRONG: The Shahs in Iran used to make their soldiers go out with their bayonets at the ready, ripping off women’s veils and tearing them to pieces in front of them in the streets. AMANPOUR: Mohammad Reza Shah ruthlessly crushed dissent and exiled mullahs who challenged him. The most prominent, a firebrand cleric named Ayatollah Khomeini, blasted back, calling the Shah the enemy of Islam. ARMSTRONG: He brought the whole of Iran out onto the streets by pointing out the injustice of the rule. AMANPOUR: With Iran’s constitution in one hand and the Koran in the other, Khomeini offered up Islam as the antidote to corruption and Western dominance of Iran. ARMSTRONG: And I think many of the Iranians saw it as a purifying ritual. Khomeini and the revolutionary mullahs were able to speak to Shiite traditions, not to Marxism or secularist ideas that ha
d no grassroots among the ordinary people. AMANPOUR: With Khomeini’s revolution came the world’s first modern theocracy — a fundamentalist Islamic republic that stood up to the United States and humiliated a superpower. DR. MASSOUMEH EBTEKAR, TEHRAN CITY COUNCILWOMAN: We felt very strongly for the independence of our country. We felt very strongly for the dignity of the Iranian people. We felt very strongly about the intervention of the American government in our affairs……………. AMANPOUR (voice-over): Iran’s eight year war with Iraq is seen here as a triumph of faith. In 1980, Iraq’s president, Saddam Hussein, invaded Iran. Hussein was supported by the Soviet Union and the United States. They saw him as a bulwark against the spread of Iranian-style Islamic revolution. The world assumed Iraq’s professional army would score a quick victory. But nobody reckoned with Ayatollah Khomeini’s holy warriors — waves of young boys who volunteered to become martyrs, clearing minefields by running across them. Nobody had ever seen anything like it. Eight blood-soaked years later, hundreds of thousands of young men and boys had been injured or killed, inspired to fight on by their first martyr, Imam Hussein. …….. AMANPOUR (voice-over): From the Holy City of Qom, a grand ayatollah tells us that martyrdom for your faith should never be confused with suicide terrorism. (on camera): The Western world, when they think of Muslims, they think of terrorists. So what is your answer to those people who say that they are God’s warriors, that they’re God’s soldiers, that they kill in the name of God? GRAND AYATOLLAH SAANEI, IRAN: I’ve always said that terrorists should go to Hell, and that is our belief. But if the enemy attacks us, we have the right to defend ourselves in any possible way……… AMANPOUR: Bin Laden’s religious devotion went behind living a simple, pious life. He spent time in the Saudi desert, exposed to harsh conditions, believing it was his duty to prepare to fight and defend Islam. The opportunity came in the 1980s in Afghanistan. For more jihadis of bin Laden’s generation, the first holy war. He organized his own all-Arab army to battle the Soviets occupying the Muslim country. PETER BERGEN, AUTHOR, "THE OSAMA BIN LADEN I KNOW": Young Arabs he was recruiting were willing to martyr themselves, willing to take incredible personal risk, willing to basically take one-way tickets to Afghanistan to go and fight the Soviets. AMANPOUR: His army would eventually become known as al Qaeda, and bin Laden would himself fall under the influence of the radical Egyptian doctor, Ayman al Zawahiri, number two in al Qaeda. BERGEN: Again and again, bin Laden is influenced by Egyptian ideas, Egyptian political organizations and Egyptian people. And they tend to move him in a more radical and militant direction over time. AMANPOUR: Zawahiri helped hone bin Laden’s focus on toppling secular governments in the Middle East to create a vast Islamic nation without borders, a caliphate. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He wants to go back to the Golden Age of Islam, of a pure Islam. AMANPOUR: Over the years, Zawahiri pushed bin Laden to a deadly new strategy, to weaken Muslim heads of state, what jihadis call the near enemy by attacking their supporters in the West, the far enemy. In 1990 the U.S. became his main target. After the Saudi government allowed hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops to use the kingdom as a base. It was to repel Saddam Hussein during the First Gulf War. But bin Laden saw them as infidels on holy Muslim soil. Sacrilege, according to his views…….. AMANPOUR: In this extraordinary 1998 press conference, bin Laden declared war against the United States. BIN LADEN: The Jews and the Christians work together against Muslims. AMANPOUR: A jihad that he and his followers have been waging ever since. Bombing two U.S. embassies in Africa simultaneously. Two years later, attacking the USS Cole, a navy destroyer in a Yemeni port. And, finally, the devastating attacks inside the United States that changed the world. BIN LADEN: We calculated in advance the number of enemy casualties. I was the most optimistic of them all. AMANPOUR: Bin Laden doesn’t just kill Americans. Al Qaeda attacks in Asia, Africa and elsewhere also have lived fellow Muslims dead and now al Qaeda also targets Muslims, those they call infidels in places like Iraq. It’s their battle to control Islam itself. In the years since 9/11, bin Laden has been in hiding. The U.S. has been unable to find him, despite offering tens of millions of dollars in bounty. But his presence is still felt. His theology of violence still preached in his lieutenant’s taped declarations. AYMAN AL-ZAWAHIRI, AL QAEDA (through translation): You are not facing individuals and organizations but in reality you’re facing the Islamic nation whose soul is now inhabited by the spirit of jihad. AMANPOUR: It is twisted message of religion and politics. The call to terror that for some continues to resonate. ……… AMANPOUR: Reclaiming a central role for religion in a new democratic Egypt is a mission of the Muslim Brotherhood. It’s now Egypt’s most powerful opposition group. Headquartered on this quiet Cairo street in a nondescript apartment house. I dropped in for a visit. (on camera): From CNN. Can we come in? Good to see you again. (voice-over): I was met by supreme guide or leader Mohammed Akef. AMANPOUR (on camera): It’s quite a small office, isn’t it? "We can control the world from here," is what he said. (voice-over): Numbers have grown from the Muslim brotherhood, as Egyptians have turned to religion as the antidote to the secular government. The brotherhood campaigned under the slogan "Islam is the solution." Despite being banned by the government, its candidates ran as independents in the last elections in 2005 and they won nearly 20 percent of the seats in parliament. UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): We are the true owners of this stage. The stage is ours. The majority of the people support us. They are with righteous Islam. AMANPOUR: But the Brotherhood has a notorious past, members assassinated a prime minister in 1948 and six years later attempted to kill the Egyptian President Gamel Abdel Nasser in their drive to rid Egypt of its secular government. Osama bin Laden was influenced by the Brotherhood and his second in command, Zawahiri, was a member. But the group has now officially renounced violence and today’s supreme guide claims it was never condoned. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It wasn’t a part of the Muslim Brotherhood as a group but there were individuals, individuals who took certain actions that they are solely responsible for. AMANPOUR: The growth of the Muslim Brotherhood’s political base has caused fear that Egypt, a strong U.S. ally, could become another Islamic state. Is the Muslim brotherhood potentially as scary as what happened in Iran? GERGES: No, I don’t believe so. The Muslim Brotherhood is a mainstream, moderate, Islamist political party that subscribes to the rules of the political game. …………AMANPOUR (voice-over): Whatever Egyptians may feel about living under Sharia, there is no doubt the Brotherhood has touched a chord with its Islamic message. Observers here say that, if Egypt held free and open elections, the Brotherhood would win, hands down. , While these Egyptians may be waiting for a state based on religious law, Iranians already have one. And they have a president who is waiting for the return of the Shiite messiah. , Once again, the drumbeat of discord is rising between a resurgent Iran and a worried West. , GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The Iranian regime sponsors terrorists and has advocated the destruction of our ally Israel., AMANPOUR: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran’s president, openly defies worldwide pressure to suspend his country’s nuclear program. And he alarms the West with his frequent diatribes against Israel and the United States. , MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD, IRANIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): The leaders of America want to resolve issues worldwide using force, arms and bombs. , AMANPOUR: And, when he first addre
ssed the United Nations, Iran’s fundamentalist president seemed to see himself as a man on a divine mission. , AHMADINEJAD (through translator): Oh, mighty lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one. …….. AMANPOUR (on camera): What are the conditions, what has there to be in the world, for the Hidden Imam to come? ABDOLLAH REZAIE, DIRECTOR OF CULTURE AND ARTS, BRIGHT FUTURE INSTITUTE (through translator): All the world’s ideologies will falter. Communism came and went, and liberal democracy will also fail. And, when nobody can provide a solution, that’s when the Hidden Imam will appear, saying, "I’m the answer." And he will save the world. AMANPOUR: If Christians and Jews don’t follow the Hidden Imam, clerics say there will be trouble. MOHAMED REZAIE, MAGAZINE EDITOR, BRIGHT FUTURE INSTITUTE (through translator): If Judaism and Christianity don’t recognize him, conflicts are possible. So, God will send Jesus to mediate. AMANPOUR: And, he says, Jesus will tell the whole world to follow the Hidden Imam. But until that day, thousands of pilgrims come here, to Jamkaran, the shrine of the Hidden Imam. They drop their petitions into the Well of Requests. And it was none other than President Ahmadinejad who ordered the shrine to be refurbished. He believes the day of judgment is near and that sustains him as he confronts the West. …… KAREN ARMSTRONG, RELIGIOUS HISTORIAN: It’s important to say that none of the great world religions has been good for women, not a single one of them. AMANPOUR: Religious historian Karen Armstrong says that Islam’s Prophet Mohammed was actually ahead of his time when it came to women. ARMSTRONG: The Koran gives women rights of inheritance and divorce that Western women would not receive until the 19th century. There is nothing in the Koran about all women having to be veiled or secluded in a certain part of the house. That came in later. AMANPOUR: In 2003, lawyer Shirin Ebadi won a Nobel Peace Prize for fighting to restore the rights of Iranian women. She had been Iran’s first female judge. But, when the ayatollahs came to power, they tossed her off the bench. SHIRIN EBADI, NOBEL PEACE PRIZE WINNER (through translator): I have been a judge and a lawyer for 35 years. I teach law at university and, I won the Nobel Peace Prize. But the court here will not admit my testimony unless it’s backed by another woman. But the man who cleans my office can testify on his own, even though he’s illiterate. AMANPOUR: That’s because, here in Islamic court, a woman’s testimony, and even her life, are worth exactly half that of a man’s. (on camera): Is there a pushback of the limited rights that women have? EBADI (through translator): Yes, of course. Sixty-five percent of our university students are girls. But now officials want to reduce that to 50 percent. It’s a regressive step. AMANPOUR: In a fundamentalist society, can there be women’s rights? EBADI (through translator): Women and men can enjoy equal rights only with a modern interpretation of Islam. Fundamentalism promotes a male-dominated culture. ……… GENEIVE ABDO, AUTHOR, "MECCA AND MAIN STREET: MUSLIM LIFE IN AMERICA AFTER 9/11": Young Muslims here are becoming much more religious than their parents. And this is being expressed by more women wearing head scarves, the increase in mosque attendance, more mosques being built, more Muslims wanting to attend Islamic schools, rather than the public school system. AMANPOUR: Geneive Abdo is the author of "Mecca and Main Street." She says that, since 9/11, the majority of American Muslims feel they’re singled out for suspicion and surveillance by the government and by ordinary people. SEYAM: They will look at me as if I’m threatening. And I don’t feel like I’m very threatening-looking. I don’t feel like I should instill fear in anybody’s hearts. But I do feel like I get dirty looks. It’s because they see me as a Muslim. AMANPOUR: A recent Pew Forum poll offered the first look at attitudes of Muslims living in America. The majority, it found, are highly assimilated, moderate, and see no conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in the United States. But there was a distinct difference between young Muslims and their parents. Young Muslims were almost twice as likely to attend mosque as their parents and considerably more likely than their parents to say they are Muslims first, Americans second. And, while most American Muslims reject extremism, younger Muslims, 26 percent of them, say suicide bombings can sometimes be justified. Author Geneive Abdo found, young Muslims often feel a disconnect with the American lifestyle. ABDO: They’re rejecting a lot of things about American culture. They don’t want to date. They don’t want to drink alcohol. They don’t want to engage in premarital sex. They consider many aspects of American society immoral. ………… AMANPOUR: And in the Netherlands, a radical Muslim acted on his beliefs, stunning his country by killing one of its most famous men. Amsterdam, November 2004. The scene of a grisly and shocking murder. The victim, the great-grandnephew of artist Vincent Van Gogh. The killer, Mohammed Bouyeri, a home-grown radical Muslim. Bouyeri gunned down Theo Van Gogh as he rode his bicycle, and then he cut his throat, nearly decapitating him. EMERSON VERMAAT, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: And this whole killing of Van Gogh in Bouyeri’s ill mind was a sort of holy killing, a sort of sacrifice, like killing an animal. AMANPOUR: A holy killing? In the Netherlands? A country known for its windmills, its canals and its tolerance. A new battlefront between God’s Muslim warriors and the west. Bouyeri was part of a Dutch terrorist cell called the Hofstad group. Another member had plans to blow up government buildings and kill politicians in parliament in a suicide bombing. UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Just as you have spilled the blood of Muslim citizens in Iraq, we will spill your blood here. AMANPOUR: Many of the group’s members were sent to prison. I traveled to the Netherlands to find that this country’s once tiny Muslim community has swelled to more than a million in a country of 16 million. Across Europe, Islam is the fastest growing religion, the number of Muslims tripling in the last 30 years. This increased Muslim presence, and violence like the Van Gogh murder, play into the hands of right wing politicians, like Geert Wilders, a member of the Dutch parliament… GEERT WILDERS, MEMBER OF DUTCH PARLIAMENT: Yes, here we have my seat. AMANPOUR: … who fears the Dutch are losing their country to an alien culture. The party he’s founded has staked its political future in large part on an anti-Islam platform. He’s proposed shutting down immigration from non-western countries and banning burkas and nikabs, the head-to-toe coverings worn by some Muslim women, even though few here wear them. (on camera) Why have you chosen Islam as your battleground, so to speak? WILDERS: Islam is, I believe, one of the most major threats to the west and also to western Europe and to the Netherlands today and, more especially, radical Islam is a major threat to all of society. Those are people that hate everything that we stand for and are proud to use every means possible to kill us. AMANPOUR: Do you fear for your life? AYAAN HIRSI ALI, FORMER MEMBER OF DUTCH PARLIAMENT: I fear from those individuals who feel that they will go to heaven by killing me. I fear for my life. AMANPOUR (voice-over): Ayaan Hirsi Ali has reason to fear. A former member of the Dutch parliament, her name was on a death threat stabbed to Theo Van Gogh’s chest. Her crime: she had collaborated with Van Gogh to make this provocative film called "Submission". It is an indictment of the way some Muslims mistreat women. Hirsi Ali was born in Somalia and raised in a devout Muslim family. She rebelled when her father chose a man for her to marry. (on camera) You bolted? ALI: I bolted, yes. I went to Holland and started to lead a different life. I removed my head scarf. I started to wear trousers. I started to ride on bicycles. And I made fri
ends with the infidels, the Dutch. AMANPOUR (voice-over): She became a Dutch citizen, then an atheist and an outspoken critic of Islam. In 2003, she was elected to parliament. She says that even in Europe, religious traditions dominate many emigrant Muslim households, and women are subjugated by family members, suffering abuse and even death. ALI: Fathers who, when girls choose to go finish school or find their own boyfriends, beat them or kill them. AMANPOUR (on camera): That’s happening today? ALI: In Holland, in Germany, in France, in the U.K. They will say, "It’s because of my religion, and you need to respect my religion." AMANPOUR (voice-over): The Netherlands is perhaps the epitome of a liberal secular society, where prostitution is legal and quite visible. And where you can smoke marijuana in a cafe. As in much of western Europe, religious worship has dramatically declined, except among Muslims….. IMAM FAWAZ JNEID, MUSLIM CLERIC (through translator): The devil is always present, even when you eat, even during intercourse. AMANPOUR: Imam Fawaz Jneid, leader of a mosque in The Hague, believes Muslims are under attack, victims of religious discrimination. JNEID (through translator): There are some who want to challenge the Muslim’s beliefs and the Muslim’s values, and here lies the problem. AMANPOUR: Jneid even asked God to punish people like Van Gogh and Hirsi Ali, who he believes are attacking Islam. (on camera) What are people meant to think when you, an imam, says, for instance, "Oh, God, blind Hirsi Ali like you have blinded her heart. Please bring cancer to her brain and to her tongue"? I mean, what are people meant to think when they hear somebody like you saying that? JNEID (through translator): We did say that prayer in a time when they were attacking Islam and lying about it. And we didn’t have anyone who would carry our voice to the media. And Muslims in reality are like any nation that is under attack. They would be in a state of boiling anger. AMANPOUR (voice-over): Concerned about the imam’s rhetoric, Dutch authorities are investigating whether a sermon he delivered before Van Gogh’s murder violated Dutch laws on hate speech and discrimination. Moderate Muslims here say the Dutch backlash from the Van Gogh murder has put them all under siege. AHMED MARCOUCH, MEMBER OF AMSTERDAM’S CITY COUNCIL (through translator): There were mosques that were attacked. Islamic schools were burned. So the atmosphere was very, very tense. AMANPOUR: Ahmed Marcouch is a Muslim member of Amsterdam’s city council. He says that most young Dutch Muslims aren’t radical or violent but worry that some could fall prey to extremist influences. MARCOUCH: The problem is that we don’t have an Islamic society that can help the young people to find their answers for their questions, religious questions. If we don’t organize it, we’re going to lose a big group in extremism. AMANPOUR: Extremism like that of the Hofstad group. Emerson Vermaat, a Dutch investigative journalist, has spent years studying the group and the murder of Van Gogh. VERMAAT: There was a meeting of Hofstad (ph) in Amsterdam, and they said, "We must do something. We must maybe kill someone, but we must revenge. Allah has been offended. The Koran has been offended." ALI: They would sit together. They would watch videos with beheadings and read the Koran together and then plot jihadi activities. AMANPOUR: It is a twisted version of Islam fuelled by the culture clash here. But also by a steady stream of Internet websites which offer radical Islam as the antidote to western culture. This extremism has generated an extreme response from far right politicians like Geert Wilders. (on camera) Can I just quote something to you, something that you said? That "If Mohammed lived here today, I would propose tarring and feathering and hunting him out of the country as an extremist." WILDERS: Yes. AMANPOUR: Yes? WILDERS: This is what I said. AMANPOUR: And you stand by it? WILDERS: Of course. AMANPOUR: You don’t think it’s extreme? WILDERS: No, no. AMANPOUR: To say the Koran should be torn up and Mohammed should be tarred and feathered? WILDERS: No. If you look at the context on why I said it, I believe it’s not extreme. AMANPOUR (voice-over): Geert Wilders’ rhetoric has earned him death threats from Muslim extremists. Both he and Ayaan Hirsi Ali live under 24-hour protection. From Amsterdam to Tehran to London, "God’s Warriors" are manning the front lines of a battle they believe they cannot afford to lose. And nowhere is this fight more significant than in the holy land.
…….. AMANPOUR (on camera): Muslims, like people everywhere, abhor terrorism. The small minority who resort to violence is symptomatic of something many of us have failed to understand. God’s warriors, the emergence of millions of people around the world who view life through a religious prism and who fear that modern society is trampling their beliefs. With this report, we have tried to bridge the gap of understanding about the Muslim world. I’m Christiane Amanpour. Thank you for joining us. ………God’s Muslim Warriors (CNN – Aired August 22, 2007 – 21:00   ET)===============================================================================================God’s Christian Warriors….. AMANPOUR (on camera): Jerusalem — the ancient city filled with sacred meaning for three great religions — Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I’m Christiane Amanpour. For the last 30 years, religion has exploded as a powerful political force, with an army of followers who share a deep dissatisfaction with modern secular society and a fierce determination to bring God and religion back to the seat of power. We call them "God’s Warriors". (voice-over): For eight months, I’ve traveled the world. FALWELL: Hello. AMANPOUR (voice-over): Investigating who they are, what they want and why they believe it’s a battle they cannot afford to lose. Now, God’s Christian warriors — the religious right in America. They have transformed the nation’s landscape with a mix of faith and politics. FALWELL: Good Christians ought to make good citizens. Vote in every election. Become a part of every campaign. AMANPOUR: In the beginning, there was Jerry Falwell…. AMANPOUR: …as Falwell thrust religion into politics. His mission was to change America. FALWELL: Let’s see to it that we keep a president and a control in the Senate and the House of men and women who believe in the moral values that this nation was built on. AMANPOUR: I was the last journalist to interview Falwell in the spring — a week before his sudden death. FALWELL: That’s the Blue Ridge Mountains out there. AMANPOUR: He showed me around his Liberty University, which now has 10,000 students on-campus in Lynchburg, Virginia…. FALWELL: We’re trying to force God out of — and we have pretty well done it — the public square, the public schools, our public lives. AMANPOUR: When Falwell became a minister half a century ago, America was very different. School days began with prayer and the right to abortion was not the law of the land. Then came the social revolution of the 1960s and American lifestyles changed. BRUCE LAWRENCE, DUKE UNIVERSITY: America in the ’60s, it had a revolution of excess, where you had Elvis and you had drugs and you had sex at the same time you had a very punishing foreign war — the Vietnam War. AMANPOUR: Religious historian Bruce Lawrence. LAWRENCE: You saw all these other elements, both international and national, that seemed to portend a very dangerous and uncertain future push people to look for other answers. UNIDENTIFIED WORSHIPERS (SINGING): Onward Christian soldiers… AMANPOUR: In 1973, the Supreme Court decision "Roe v. Wade" allowed the right to abortion and touched off a Christian counterrevolution. FALWELL: And out of that Moral Majority was born. AMANPOUR: It would mean a sea change in American politics and in the courts……. AMANPOUR: Falwell joined ranks with Catholics, Mormons and social conservatives. By th
e 1980 presidential election, the Moral Majority mobilized millions of voters. And while Ronald Reagan needed almost no help in his landslide victory over Jimmy Carter, with Falwell in the ring, 12 Democratic senators did lose their seats over issues like abortion. FALWELL: We just got everybody registered. We got them to the polls. And they pulled an R and went on down with Rs and 12 went liberal senators went out of business. AMANPOUR: Suddenly, conservative Christians had become a political force… CARTER: I’ve always remembered that Thomas Jefferson, claiming to speak on behalf of all the founding fathers, said we should build a wall between the church and the state. AMANPOUR: Carter was open about his faith while running for president, describing himself as a born-again Christian and winning a majority of the Evangelical vote in 1976. CARTER: We never had any religious services in the White House. I never expressed any preference for my own Christian faith compared to others. AMANPOUR: But his presidency would be defined, in part, by religion and the emergence of God’s warriors on the world stage, most notably during the Iranian Revolution, where a religious fundamentalist took over a nation, making God and country truly one in the new Islamic Republic of Iran. CARTER: I experienced fundamentalism and the Islamic faith when the Iranians took American hostages. And the Ayatollah Khomeini, who was a fundamentalist felt that it was all right to hold foreigners hostage. AMANPOUR: Fifty-two Americans held captive for 444 days. It was a major reason that Carter was a one-term president. And religion in America also played a role in ending Carter’s presidency. Many Evangelicals who supported this committed Christian Democrat in 1976 switched to the not-so-churchgoing Republican, Ronald Reagan, four years later……….. AMANPOUR: Out of office, Carter returned home to Plains, Georgia, and to his church. CARTER: This is the first real indication of God’s will for women to play a leading role in the early church. AMANPOUR: He taught adult Sunday school and still does. But in the 1990s, he watched the Southern Baptist Convention he belonged to grow progressively more conservative and more political, contrary to his faith. CARTER: And they were, in my opinion, a radical departure from what, to me, the Baptist faith had always represented. In effect they adopted a creed that said if you don’t agree with this written document in its entirety, you cannot be a pastor in a Southern Baptist Church. AMANPOUR: Especially troublesome to the president, an amendment in 2000 to the group’s statement of beliefs on the role of women. From now on like Muslims and Orthodox Jews, Southern Baptists would restrict the role of women. CARTER: Women must be submissive to their husbands and no woman can be a leader in the church as a pastor or deacon in the church and that women are precluded from instructing men. So those things have been of great concern to me. AMANPOUR: The Southern Baptist Amendment on a woman’s role passed in 2000. Carter then publicly broke with the convention. He’s continued to speak out against what he sees as the growing influence of fundamentalism in many religions characterized by rigidity, male domination, and exclusion. CARTER: And it’s impossible for a fundamentalist to admit that he is ever wrong because he would be admitting that God was wrong. AMANPOUR: Jimmy Carter is working to reclaim his faith. CARTER: I think the primary crisis that faces the Christian church in its totality is division. AMANPOUR: Along with former President Bill Clinton, they formed what they call the celebration of a New Baptist Covenant calling on Christians to focus on issues like poverty rather than on divisive issues like abortion and gay marriage. CARTER: We have adopted as our guidelines a gospel based on peace and justice and humility and service and love that really helps people who are in need. AMANPOUR: Rather than? CARTER: Rather than more of a fundamentalist commitment where you define who can be and who cannot be a member of your organization. MANPOUR: Critics say Carter is playing political games of his own trying to mobilize a liberal Baptist vote. He denies it. But the president, who came into office with evangelicals behind him and left with the religious right opposing him does have hopes for the next election. CARTER: I really believe that the high power of being a fundamentalist has reached its peak and it has passed………. AMANPOUR: When we return, a Christian fighting to protect the Jewish state. JOHN HAGEE, PASTOR: The sleeping giant of Christian Zionism has awakened. We are united. We are indivisible and together we can reshape history……… HAGEE: Send a message to America, send a message to the enemies of Israel, send a message to the people of Israel. Israel, you are not alone. I believe that the Bible, the Torah, is the truth. I believe there’s the Torah way and the wrong way. AMANPOUR: And the right way says Hagee is to protect and defend Israel at all costs. Hagee is a Zionist, a Christian Zionist. HAGEE: A Christian Zionist is someone who believes that the Bible supports Israel. God begins in the foreign policy of Israel in Genesis 12:3 saying, I will bless those who bless you and I will curse those who curse you. AMANPOUR: You said God’s foreign policy statement? HAGEE: Yes. AMANPOUR: God has foreign policy statements? HAGEE: Absolutely. AMANPOUR: And his is pro-Israel? HAGEE: Concerning the Jewish people, that’s his foreign policy statement. AMANPOUR: Hagee’s devotion to Israel began in 1978 when he first visited the Jewish state. ……. AMANPOUR: But this is more than just a tribute to the Jewish faith. If Israel is at the heart of God’s foreign policy, Hagee wants to make sure it shapes America’s foreign policy, too. HAGEE: There are voices in the State Department calling for the city of Jerusalem to be divided, to make way for a Palestinian capital. Let us make this clear, there shall be one Jerusalem that shall never be divided not now and not ever. AMANPOUR: He’s got his own pro-Israel lobbying group. Their recent meeting in Washington included a written greeting from President Bush. NEWT GINGRICH, FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER: Thank you. AMANPOUR: And it drew people like former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Senators Lieberman and McCain. SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: If we fail in Israel, where will we succeed? AMANPOUR: Hagee’s group also went to Capitol Hill, telling members of Congress of their strong support for Israel. Their visit last year coincided with fighting between Israel and Lebanon. They made it clear what they expected America to do. HAGEE: We asked them to give Israel the opportunity to respond to those people that had attacked them not to send someone from the State Department over there to get the war stopped. AMANPOUR: So you were pro that war? HAGEE: We are never pro-war. We are for Israel having the opportunity to respond to those that attack them. AMANPOUR: Israel can do no wrong in Hagee’s eyes, and he’s identified his enemy. Hagee sees Iran and its defiant president as a threat to both the U.S. and Israel. HAGEE: He is threatening to wipe Israel off the map. He has said that he can see a day when there will not be a United States of America. He’s racing to obtain nuclear weapons and if he obtains them, it will be the western world’s worst nightmare. AMANPOUR: This is how Hagee thinks Iran’s nuclear ambitions should be thwarted. HAGEE: Well I think America should do everything in its power to make sure he never gets nuclear weapons whatever that takes. If they cannot do it through diplomacy, then I think there needs to be a military preemptive strike to deny them nuclear capability. AMANPOUR: Fighting words for a man of the cloth but this pastor thinks war is part of God’s plan. In his recent book, "Jerusalem Countdown," which has sold more than a million copies, Hagee mixes biblical prophecy and current events and outlines a violent showdown for the end of days. In his scenario, Russia and its Arab allies invade Israel. The antichrist appears as the head of the European Uni
on. Armies mass and there’s a final battle at Armageddon resulting in a sea of human blood before Jesus returns to slay nonbelievers and reign over an era of peace. HAGEE: You have not read – AMANPOUR: It’s a controversial theological stance and critics accuse Hagee of supporting Israel and favoring war with Iran to hasten the second coming. HAGEE: I would make it very clear for you. Our support of Israel has absolutely nothing to do with the prophecy. AMANPOUR: Some Jews have also been wary of Christian support for Israel. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You stand for the reading of the word of God. AMANPOUR: Since many believe Jews must accept Christ in order to be saved. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The one thing that Jews and Christians disagree about is who the messiah is. HAGEE: He is the sovereign god. We just have to agree to disagree. CROWD: Shalom! AMANPOUR: Hagee does not try to convert Jews, but he’s confident that when Jesus does return, the Jewish people will also recognize and accept him as their messiah. HAGEE: And as I tell the Orthodox rabbi friend here in San Antonio that when we’re both standing in the streets of Jerusalem and messiah is coming down the road, one of us has a big theological adjustment to make. AMANPOUR: Which of you is going to make the adjustment? HAGEE: Oh, I think he is, of course, and he thinks I am. It’s going to be an exciting day. The sleeping giant of Christian Zionism has awakened. AMANPOUR: For now, Hagee’s battle is political rallying Evangelical Americans for Israel. HAGEE: Let it echo down the marble halls of the presidential palace in Iran. Israel lives. Israel lives. Israel lives. … SCARBOROUGH: Evangelical Christians are estimated between 50 million and 80 million. We are the largest voting bloc in America. If 75 percent of them vote their values, we win. I’m not a Republican. I’m not a Democrat. I’m a Christ-ocrat. My allegiance is to Jesus Christ. Whenever there is a party that presents itself as a party of values, they’re going to benefit from what I do. AMANPOUR: Rick Scarborough is a Baptist preacher by trade. SCARBOROUGH: We were making progress. We have a conservative Congress. We’re losing ground now. AMANPOUR: And author of books with provocative titles such as "Enough is Enough" and "Liberalism Kills Kids." His interest in politics began when he attended an AIDS prevention lecture at his daughter’s public high school in Texas, which he felt was too explicit and sent an immoral message. SCARBOROUGH: Every form of sex is fair game, just make sure you use a condom. AMANPOUR: Scarborough took his indignation to his congregation. SCARBOROUGH: Never my entire life have I seen a group of Baptists get so mad. We wound up encouraging our people to run for public office. AMANPOUR: Church members took over the local school board and the city council and while their victory was short-lived, Scarborough had found his calling. He turned to Jerry Falwell for guidance to take his message national. SCARBOROUGH: He said, Rick, he said since you’re not well known what you need are visible people who will lend you their name and recognition. AMANPOUR: With Falwell’s blessing and support, Scarborough started Vision America in 1998. SCARBOROUGH: Talk about 70 weeks to save America, a one-day crusade and so forth. AMANPOUR: Its goal? Get pastors out from behind the pulpit and involved in politics. …….. AMANPOUR (voice-over): In America, conservative Christians have altered the political and cultural landscape. They are on the front lines of divisive issues that touch everyone. UNIDENTIFIED PEOPLE: We are pro-life! AMANPOUR: Should abortion be legal? AMANPOUR: Should gays have the right to marry? What should your child be taught in school? How should judges interpret the Constitution? God’s Christian warriors say they have the answers. They believe modern secular society has corrupted America, and that there must be a return to what they call the religious foundations of the country. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People have experienced extreme disappointment with secularism. And, so, there has developed this countercultural protest. AMANPOUR: As America enters another election season, nothing less than the social, political and cultural direction of the country is at stake. God’s Christian warriors know where they want the country to go. And they’re not going to stop fighting until their battle is won. UNIDENTIFIED PEOPLE: Christ is king. Christ is king. Christ is king. ……… AMANPOUR: Reed was the mastermind behind the Christian Coalition, the grassroots organization that transformed American politics. It was founded in 1989, on the coattails of Pat Robertson’s failed bid for president. REED: The conservative Christians in the ’80s, prior to Robertson, were voting Republican in the general election, but they weren’t really involved in the machinery of the Republican Party. Robertson really changed all that. AMANPOUR: Reed turned them into a political force. He mobilized voters using direct mail, sending on millions of voter guides that focused on the smaller, local races. It was a new type of campaign: stealth politics, conducted under the radar. REED: And, if you sort of show up in Washington and hold a news conference and say, I’m in charge now, a lot of people shoot at you. REED: So, it might be smarter to go out and run 1,000 people for school board and state legislature and city council, and nobody really shoots at you. AMANPOUR: By 1994, the Christian Coalition claimed 1.3 million members. And, that fall, its influence was really felt. NEWT GINGRICH, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Last night was one of the most decisive off-year elections in American history. (END VIDEO CLIP) AMANPOUR: Republicans won a majority in Congress for the first time in 40 years. And Christian conservatives were credited with winning half those races. God’s warriors were now a force to be reckoned with in Washington. Bush, today, in Washington State, the Democrats are in charge. …… AMANPOUR: As we’ve seen over the six hours of our series on God’s warriors, there are millions of people who feel their faith is being ignored, is being pushed aside and who are certain they know how to make the world right. We cannot and should not ignore them. And with this report, we have tried to explain them. I’m Christiane Amanpour. Thank you for joining me.….God’s Christian Warriors (CNN)


10 thoughts on “'God's Jewish, Muslim and Christian Warriors' (driedelige CNN-uitzending op 22 t/m 24 augustus)

  1. CNN Jan-Willem?
    "a backlash against what they presume to be a materialistic culture"
    Dus: zij strijden tegen onze materialistische cultuur, maar dat zijn wij helemaal niet.
    "this separation of church and state, which is real and the law here in the United States."
    Je weet wel dat dat niet waar is.
    "everybody was fascinated because this is really the topic of our time."
    Geen woord over de strijd tegen de Amerikaanse overheersing en onderdrukking, Nee, het is "the clash of cultures" – ammehoela dus.
    "Even today, the battle is led by men and women who believe their vision, and sometimes, violence are part of a divine script."
    Verzet tegen een bezetting heeft niets met religie te maken.
    "East Jerusalem, land claimed by the Arabs as theirs"
    Claimed? het gaat maar door.
    "How God’s Jewish warriors reshaped the Holy Land"
    Reshaped? Wat dacht je van landjepik en etnische reiniging.
    "For decades, the U.S. has said Jewish settlements in the occupied territories are an obstacle to peace."
    "They fear modern society is trampling all over their beliefs."
    They fear? How ‘bout reality!
    Ik ga niet meer verder, het is te erg.

  2. J. Jan Willem, er is niks mis met Safari, ik behelp me er ook mee!
    Inderdaad een mooie serie van Christian Armanpour, zeer de moeite waard!

  3. Ik heb de serie gezien en vond het een goede serie. JW, heb je aansluitend zondag bij de NMO dat programma gezien van die islam-wetenschapper die bijzonder teleurgesteld uit Londen terug kwam, omdat daar bleek dat zelfs in gematigde kringen nog dubieuze ideologie aanwezig is en absoluut geen ruimte voor vrijdenken?
    Ik denk dat de radicale islam een groter gevaar is dan de Joodse radicalen. Dat is een handje vol, de eerste groep is veel groter dan wij denken en ook willen toegeven. Dapper van de NMO dat ze dit uitzond. Ik ben benieuwd of mensen zelfs de mening van een gerespecteerde moslim aan de kant schuiven, aleen maar om de focus op Israel te willen houden. Ik zou ook de website van Irsahd Manji willen aanbevelen. Die staat wat betreft, Joden, Israel en zionisme ook behoorlijk met beide benen op de grond. Er blijven echter toch een hoop niet-Joden en niet-moslims over die het beter denken te weten.
    Overigens, als je de serie goed hebt bekeken, is geen 1 keer echt genoemd dat israel de aanstichter is van radicaliteit onder moslims. Uiteraard zijn de Joodse fundamentalisten vreselijk, maar de serie gaf toch voor al te kennen dat het probleem in de islam zelf zit.Reactie is geredigeerd

  4. Goede morgen VkW.
    Ik begrijp dat je (impliciet) vraagtekens plaatst achter de mogelijkheid dat CNN uberhaupt objectief over het Conflict in het Midden-Oosten kan cq wil uitzenden.
    Daarom vind ik deze ‘Special’ zo bijzonder.
    Dat er van joods-zionistische zijde zo furieus op wordt gereageerd,
    is een bewijs van de redelijke onbevooroordeeldheid van deze uitzending:http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/CNNs_Gods_Warriors_Hard_on_Jews,_Soft_on_Islam.asp

  5. Goede morgen Betty.
    Dank voor je reactie.
    Het is menselijk dat eenieder de nadruk legt op die delen van deze uitzending waarmee je het meest eens bent.
    Wat betreft je laatste opmerking als zou : ‘geen 1 keer echt genoemd (zijn) dat israel de aanstichter is van radicaliteit onder moslims’, verwijs ik naar onderstaande passage uit het vraaggesprek met Larry King. Daarnaast zijn er talloze opiniepeilingen die het directe verband leggen tussen het Conflict in het Midden-Oosten en het radicaliseren van moslims.KING: Knowing you, I know you’ll get into all the international squabbles. But how much does the Israeli-Palestinian situation affect the Muslim situation, affect the Christian opinion, when they all intermingle here? AMANPOUR: Well, they do intermingle a lot. So, you know, I’m sort of keeping the two separate at the moment as I discuss this. But for sure, the constant open witnessed that is Israel- Palestine, the war that exists in Israel and the occupied territories is a powerful recruiting tool for those disaffected in the Islamic world. There is absolutely no doubt about that. But, also, right now, another powerful recruiting tool is the Bush administration and the war in Iraq. It is — it’s equaled or surpassed, at the moment, the pool of recruits for those who would come into terrorism and who would do America harm…

  6. JW, ik heb Larry King niet voorbij zien komen tijdens de documentaire reeks, toch? Volgens mij had hij hier geen rol in, of ik moet even naar het toilet zijn geweest. Ik denk dat ht deel over God´s Muslim Warrriors boekdelen sprak. De radicaliteit zit ´m voornamelijk binnen de islam, en dat staat los van Israel, getuige bv het relaas over de sjah en Iran en Irak.
    Het lijkt me overbodig om te zeggen dat ik me als christen niet aangetrokken voel door Hagee´s Armageddon clubje. Ik houd me verder gewoon vast aan het feit dat ook het Joodse volk een eigen staat mag hebben en dat de Arabische wereld dit moet accpeteren.

  7. Jan-Willem, de voorbeelden die ik noem, geen twijfels? Kolonisten die het land "her-vormen"? Kom nou…
    Natuurlijk roept dit protesten op bij Israël, want die zijn van CNN de heiligverklaring gewend. Maar dat gegeven wil nog niet zeggen dat je dan opeens niet meer kritisch de berichtgeving moet bekijken.Reactie is geredigeerd

  8. VkW,
    Ik ben het inhoudelijk met je kritiek eens. Maar gezien de macht van de ‘(pro-Groot-)Israel lobby’ in de VS, kan men waardering hebben voor de moed van Christine Amanpour en de CNN om deze uitzendingen zo redelijk objectief te doen.
    Lees bijv. de reactie van de Amerikaanse zionistische ‘censuur’-organisatie CAMERA:http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=3&x_outlet=14&x_article=1354
    Reken maar dat CNN wordt overstelpt met kritische reacties uit die hoek…
    (Ben overigens benieuwd naar reacties op dit CNN-programma in ons eigen land – las/hoorde nog niets)>Reactie is geredigeerd

  9. Ik zie het niet zo als ‘moed’ Jan-Willem, meer het randje opzoeken en naar de andere kant kijken, maar ik begrijp je wel. Ik neem gewoon een radicaler standpunt in. Echt moedig zou ik het vinden wanneer Amanpour het CNN comfort zou weigeren en een echte journalist zou worden in plaats van een papagaai. Maar er zijn er maar weinig wiens overtuiging zo groot is om die stap te doen.

  10. Heiligverklaring gewend door CNN? Als er 1 station dat zijn imago verkwanseld heeft door een sensatiechannel te worden en daarbij ook nog anti-Israel, is het CNN wel. Ik weet nog wel dat wij in de 80´er jaren aan de buis zaten gekluisterd met CNN, toen het net bij ons in de lucht was. Dat waren nog eens andere tijden. Een enkele keer, zoals nu, hebben ze een goede serie, voor het overige is het veeleer brandhout.

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